Tuesday, February 3, 2026 10:50:22 PM

Help me build a state of the art lowrider hydraulic suspension.

4 days ago
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Hello, everybody. I am super excited to be here. I have no formal education, but I have always felt that I have a mind for and a passion for engineering. This is my first post I'm 35 and I really want to be a part of building things that haven't been done before.

I've been in to cars, specially lowriders since I was 10 years old and my mom took me to watch Training Day in theaters and that movie just blew my mind. Especially Denzel Washington's Black 1979 Monte Carlo with hydraulics.

Over the years I've installed several hydraulic suspensions in various cars I've owned. Each system more and more powerful and more and more suspension travel. Culminating in my 1985 Chevy Caprice Station Wagon, the rear hydraulic cylinders had an 18" stroke (which is massive) and the front wheels could hop off of the ground about 3 feet. With the large rear suspension travel, it could sit on 3 wheels with one of the front wheels also nearly 3' off the ground. These kinds of shenanigans require the frame to be reinforced from wheel to wheel.

I had so much fun in that car! But the current lowrider hydraulic status quo consists of 50 year old technology and is a study in compromises. They generally ride like a cement mixer with short springs that are very thick usually no shocks, at least in the front.

The lowrider pumps (powerpack) themselves are your typical 12v electric motor connected block/manifold on the other side is a gear hydraulic pump submerged in a hydraulic fluid reservoir. This is the kind of power pack you might find on a hydraulic lift at an auto garage (the ac variant) or you can see them on trucks' power lift gates. In order to get that explosive power when you hit the switch guys are running between 48-120vdc to these power packs. My station wagon was running 72v to the front and after hopping the front 3-4 times, you could fry an omelet on the motor. I cannot begin to count the amount of motors I've burnt up trying to learn how to hop.

Lowrider hydraulic systems use a single acting cylinder. A normally closed solenoid valve that flows from the hydraulic line to the reservoir is responsible for lowering the vehicle.

When it comes to lowering the hydraulic suspension is 1 detail that I find impressive. In the 60s-70s guys would snag hydraulic parts off of surplus WWII aircraft. The hydraulics for bomb bay doors, landing gear and the brake anti skid valve. The aircraft hydraulic pumps that are the traditional kind used by lowriders are far inferior to the aforementioned hydraulic pumps, they're more for looks. However, the solenoid valves (called dumps in lowrider lingo) from these aircraft are actually far superior to any industrial cartridge poppet valve on the market. If i could explain the design of the aircraft solenoid valves coveted by lowriders, they're very similar to a 3 way 2 position spool style solenoid directional valve. The spool is very fast acting (precise and allows for large flow). These valves are woth upwards of 1500 each, if you can find them. Aside from looking cool, they're the most accurate solenoids where you can have the most precise control of the lowering process while still having the ability to flow a lot of fluid (typically 1/2" ports). I think a spool design and it's internal balance offers the fast action and percise control essential for hopping.

There's no innovation in this industry. All the products are the same as when I purchased my first kit at age 16 in 2006. The first thing that's got to change is the motor. Running a motor intended for 12v off of 10 batteries in a series is ridiculous. They get away with it because you only have to engage the pump for a millisecond and the front is fully extended. By the way, for the competitive systems, people usually have the front very fast acting and the rear is more about long suspension travel at a substantially lower speed.

My first thought was to massively upgrade the motor size. The motors in a lowrider power pack are gener
16 hours ago
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Evan,
It is exciting to hear about your interest in the use of hydraulics within your specific and unique application. The hydraulics industry is constantly evolving and providing many new and innovative solutions for many applications.  While many of the components are still the same, newer designs are being released by innovated professionals throughout the industry.  Many of these innovations and manufacturers/distributors/suppliers can be found within the Fluid Power Journal (https://fluidpowerjournal.com/).
Regarding your question and comment about ways to provide a fast solution, there are many ways that this can be done using hydraulics.  This can involve pump sizing, controlling fluid flow rates, providing appropriate fluid storage volumes, as well as the possibility to use an accumulator to store hydraulic energy. Many of these advanced topics are covered within our various certifications (https://www.ifps.org/certifications-offered) including the Hydraulic Specialist (https://www.ifps.org/images/uploaded/PDFs/Subject%20Matter%20Outlines/HS-Outline-1.pdf). This may be something you would like to pursue to learn more about sizing and selecting hydraulic components.  If you are new to hydraulics and would like a more introductory course to start out, IFPS also offers a Fluid Power Fundamentals Course that does not include certification as a way to get started (https://www.ifps.org/fluid-power-fundamentals).  As an IFPS member you can also gain access to numerous videos and educational resources that may also be helpful to you (https://www.ifps.org/membership-benefits-2).  I wish you the best in learning more about what is available within the hydraulics industry and how fluid power can be used in many applications.
13 minutes ago
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Bradley, thanks a ton for the words of wisdom. I most definitely do plan utilizing the aforementioned IFPS Certifications to be able to quit thinking like a lowrider and start thinking like an engineer.

With that being said, I'm still extremely curious to get some input from some people who have multiple decades in this field and hopefully I can absorb some of their wisdom. To use a video game analogy, getting input from a seasoned fluid dynamics veteran is like having cheat codes.

Really quickly to recap. Basically the lowrider world consists of (what I call) fender stone style pumps. Gear pump inside reservoir, the gear pumps feeds into the block/manifold (although lowriders seem to favor external plumbing) with a 12v motor on the other side. Anybody who wants wheels coming off the ground is running at least 6 Group 31 Diesel Starting Batteries in series, or more. The powerpack sounds cool spinning so fast, but I've probably roasted a minimum of 12 motors learning to hop. The motors are typically 1.2-ish kw and the largest flowing gear pump displacea 6.2cc/r. This is less than ideal for people who want performance. I figure a true well built hydraulic system should be designed with hopping in mind. The only part of quality in the lowrider world are the aircraft sourced solenoid valves (when energized they allow the pressure in the lines back into the reservoir as they use a single acting cylinder. They're extremely accurate. They use a spool versus a poppet, they're basically like a 3 way 2 position diverted valve.. I say that to say us lowriders crave precision control.

This is a niche automotive market where the establishment lacks the initiative, inclination and creativity to innovate. If you want something done right....

My first idea was to implement the largest motor I could find. I purchased a few massive 24v 5.5kw motors paired with a 9.8cc/r gear pump. These come from a sky jack scissor lift. This motor could handle way more power, its got an intergral fan and vents, a step in the right direction. I haven't even installed them in a car yet, but when I was bench testing it on 48v I noticed the massive armature's biggest enemy was inertia. It won't give me the immediate pressure I'm seeking.

This is where I would like to incorporate a large piston accumulator into the system to have a steady/continuous source of pressure. The hydraulic pump or pumps would simply kick on to maintain a base pressure level, much like an air compressor.

Ever since a kid, I always dreamed of having pto style controls in a lowrider with a spool directional valve that would raise and lower faster or slower depending on how much you pushed or pulled the lever. You could accomplish this with a potentiometer switch and a proportional/servo valve (my knowledge of servo valves is limited). Id still want a secondary fast acting valve for the front that fully opens as fast as possible for hopping.

On Alibaba I've seen these "electric PTO" powerpacks. Theyre for electrified garbage trucks. They are brushless, PMSM, liquid cooled motors (up to 75kw) connected to a gear hydraulic pump. That really piqued my interest.. Im also very curious about variable displacement axial piston pumps, but don't know much about them.

One idea I thought would be great, yet haven't seen would be a belt driven, electromagnetic clutch variable piston pump, driven by the lowrider's engine and the displacement could vary dependant on the engine speed, to maintain predictable flow.

Now I want to hear your ideas!

P.S. this is what I am addicted to...

https://youtu.be/ZxtsecxO1so?si=uaTd6SzZQ0MHljWt